What Would the Chicken Want? with Zac Oyama

Halle: Mega is an improvised satire from the staff of a fictional megachurch.

Oh, the Holly Labont. And this is mega coming to you from twin Hills community church, where every single week we give our mega church, a tiny family feel. We introduce you to members of our church staff, people from our community. It's a treat and a treasure. Well, per usual, I'm joined by my co-host. He's the youth pastor for our high school ministry called climax.

Please welcome your friend of mine. Mr. Gray has taught to 

Gray: the hand. It's the son of man Holly. I, you. 

Halle: I am so blessed. My brother in Christ. 

Gray: Oh, well, I am blessed as well as you can tell. I am tan and tired. Well, I just got back from Florida. I'm not sure if I've mentioned it before, but my friend clay fan famine, he is opening a new entrepreneurial project down there.

Uh, I'm not sure if, you know, he's just always in doing investments and, and in different types of things. And he has an invented an entirely new type of. Uh, car? Yes, Holly, have you ever heard of glass bottom boat? 

Halle: Oh, yeah, glass bottom boats are cool. You can like see the sting rays swimming underneath the boat.

Gray: Clay is part of a group that is inventing a glass bottom car. Oh, that is so cool. Isn't that cool. So you can see the road go by and whatever is on the road. I love it. I know. And so we went down for the big ribbon cutting the dealership opened. It's called glass of Lelea and, uh, it's going to be great, Holly.

Uh, prey a hands on a hot body contest, which was so fun. You could win one of the glass bottom trucks at cause if you kept you pray hands on it for the longest. And, uh, I got pretty far Holly. I, I stayed in there for seven or eight hours, but, um, ended up, I got a bit of a cramp in my lat and so I had to drop out.

Unfortunately I just pushed it too hard at that gym a few times that morning. And, uh, but luckily, you know, Uh, young lady wants you was 13. I couldn't believe it. I was like, I can't even drive the car yet. So that was fun. We had a great weekend down in west Palm beach, soaking up 

Halle: the sun and you got the 

Gray: tan to prove that that is right.

So w w you sound a little, uh, under the weather. Yeah, I 

Halle: just got a little bit of the sniffles. That's not a big deal. Oh yeah. It's, it's nothing, probably one of those spring things. I, I went to this big indoor wedding and the chapel here on campus Saturday, and then a few days later I can't taste anything.

I can't smell anything. I'm achy and lethargic. I've got a headache, like no other and a fever and a cough and cold and flu like 

Gray: symptoms. Well, did you take a COVID test? 

Halle: Oh no. I'm not going to fall for that liberal agenda. It's 

Gray: not, COVID it really. It does kind of sound like it. 

Halle: Oh, no. Pandemics over. I mean, we did it for two years.

We did the mess. We did the things, the kids were out of school. We all just collectively decided pandemics. 

Gray: Well, that's really good because I'm sure the virus got the memo. Oh, I hope so. Holly, terrible. 

Mack: Ah, do you have a tissue?

Halle: well, just like Jesus fed the masses. Our guests today feeds the masses. It is Macko Brian. 

Mack: Hello. Y'all thanks for having me. It is a pleasure to be. Wow. What a wonderful time here, 

Gray: Mack, you are, you're basically a celebrity around the campus right now because the excitement that is building around this, this unveiling, uh, of, of the new project that you're a part of is just, I would say the tension in the excitement is palpable.

Uh, tell us a little bit about this, this new project that we have going up at manna, which is the food court downstairs. Oh, well, I'm 

Mack: so excited to get into it. I think. You know, I have been a part of the corporate team of, of Chick-fil-A bringing new Chick-fil-A's to different environments, different cities.

Cause you know, very, very much start in the south, you know, spread like wildfire across our great nation. And um, every place we go to when we put up that sign, Chick-fil-A coming soon, everyone's double takes, you know, they look up in there and they're like, finally, you get a lot of people. Um, You get a lot of people who love God who love, um, who loved to worship together.

Uh, but it's not often that you get to do it right in the heart of a church. And so, uh, this is this we're breaking new ground here today. 

Gray: So we are actually going to have a Chick-fil-A here in the twin Hills campus. Isn't that right 

Halle: for people who love God and love white meat, 

Mack: I mean, white meat, so good.

It almost tastes like dark meat. Well, I definitely thought 

Gray: that we say, oh, is it, it was one of the corporate sort of catch 

Mack: phrases it's not official or anything, but we, we say, you know, when, when we get out there and we chop it up with the people that is great. I mean, it could be a shirt. I don't know.

Gray: Well, I think it should. It's hilarious. The, um, the cow that's is eat more chicken. I mean, I just, I don't get it, but I laugh every time I see. I know in the Coke cans, is that the joke 

Mack: it's sort of deflection, you know, it's, uh, he is like, don't he meet them? You know, if you don't, if you really 

Gray: don't get any.

Oh, I see. Okay. I'd never really gotten that. I just thought it was funny. That account had a 

Halle: sign. I always thought it was interesting that a chicken joint had a cow for a logo or for an emblem for a basket 

Mack: it's irony. You know, it's ironic. I'm not in the advertising game here, but yeah, they're, they're doing.

Uh, it's, it's about putting it on its head. Right, 

Halle: right. Cool. Which is honestly what Jesus does for us. You know, he just turns our sinful nature, um, upside down and redeems us and makes us perfect for 

Gray: that's. Right. And if there's one thing that Christians do, right. It's irony and, and chicken, honestly, those are the kind of the top two things, whatever the 

Halle: world does, the church does it.

Mack: Obviously obviously, and it's been, I, you know, recent transplant to this area and I got to say this church is beyond belief almost. I mean, it is, it is extravagant to have a food court, uh, just, just a nourish the bodies as well as the souls. And, and this place is incredible. We had to have 

Halle: escalators take you up to, you know, the, the higher levels of the auditorium.

I mean, who wants to walk a bunch of steps before they have to, you know, get into some heavy duty praise and 

Mack: worship you're going to, you're going to be. Spending those calories in your seat rather than walking up those steps. 

Gray: That is right. You know? Uh, and I did want to ask you, I know you said before you came in here that you actually had transferred from, from San Francisco and I'm sorry, that that was where you had been placed.

W which must've been a really difficult place since they hate Christians. And they also hate neat 

Mack: Christians to hate me. It felt, um, you know, and in the division that I'm in, we, we get it out there. We, we share the message, we share the chicken. With the people who, uh, we were hoping would respond to it and they did respond just not in the way that we were hoping it was.

Um, oh no, what happened? It's not, we, we, we opened up a Chick-fil-A at a fisherman's Wharf and. All these, uh, all these tourists surrounding bread bowls, clam chowder, that sort of thing. And we thought, you know, maybe, maybe a little chicken would be good in there. You know, a little delicious fried chicken.

And it was just to call it hateful. It was almost like they filled those bread bowls full of hate. I just, I just have never experienced anything like it. I imagine. I imagine Chick-fil-A will have to wait for the whole west coast. That's far, uh, that far west is I think just a mess. You know, the west is a mess.

What did 

Gray: they fill the bread bowls 

with? 

Mack: Oh, it was a lot of, there's a lot of seagulls around there and there was like, they're saying stuff like eat more chicken, eat more seagull. It was like, um, I don't know if it was what they're playing with there, but I think it was. Yeah, I think we did display some, uh, communities with our store and it made sense that some people could have taken that the wrong way.

They didn't understand that we were we're making it better by bringing in an awesome chicken sandwich. And so a lot of. A lot of, you know, the, the, the different vendors in the area where like I used to sell fish here and then they would, you know, they'd fill a bread bowl filled with fish guts and that kind of thing.

And they would just suck it. And it's just, that's about as far away from God as he can get. Well, yeah. 

Halle: Talk about a chicken sandwich that is unbeatable. I don't think there is another, um, you know, food game out there. That's doing chicken sandwiches, like Chick-fil-A and I was just wondering if up there in San Fran, if you got some of those protesters getting all upset about the gay stuff.

Cause like my kids, my son day and my middle daughter, they both won't eat Chick-Filet even when I do the drive-through and I'm like, come on, have some nuggets. And they say, no, no, because it's anti-gay and I'm like, there's no way chicken nugget can be against gay people. 

Mack: How can you ever, have you taught that these people have never.

Thought about what the chicken would want and the chicken wants to be eaten by, by people. And, uh, and I think that that's where we get, you know, what I think is maybe different from what they think and just simplify it a little bit. Just what if you just ate the best chicken sandwich you could have?

Right. What if you just thought of it that way? Chicken before the 

Gray: egg? 

Halle: Yeah. What would the, what would the chicken one? I think that is an important question. Yeah. Well, the most amazing part of Chick-fil-A, which I have always admired. And hobby lobby does this too. And I really like it is that you close on Sundays as an example to the rest of the world, you know, that, um, that we honor God, even, you know, even when you could make a hundred million dollars on a Sunday selling fried chicken, it's more important to rest.

Mack: Yeah. It has been in some places. It's it's simpler than others. I would say that one of the challenges of, uh, opening a Chick-fil-A and your beautiful food court, um, is that the majority of people are here when we are closed. Oh. And so we have not yet. Um, we're, we're kind of pivoting our business strategy a little bit to just kind of figure out exactly.

Makes the most sense because, and you're not, you know, the church should be on Sunday and we should be closed on Sunday. Uh, those are the two things that I believe about this situation, but I'm working a lot of people who left a jacket, you know, there's um, there are people who may be. Uh, came in because they were using the gym, you know, they were doing some aquatic stuff, but those numbers pale in comparison to the, I think 10,000 or so people who come every Sunday.

Halle: Yeah. Yeah. You would get those 10,000 people if you were open on Sunday, but you know what? You got the staff during the week who are, you know, coming up an order and a sandwich with extra pickles. Awesome waffle fries. Um, but you know what, maybe all those 10,000 people who attend on Sundays and see a closed Chick-fil-A in the food court.

They're just going to say, well, maybe I need to come back to campus during the week. 

Mack: I, I love that. I hope that is true. I mean, you know, the first, a couple, a weeks of a restaurant really, really shaped the. The success of it overall, I believe. And, um, you know, uh, if you're listening, come, come Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, you know, find fun things to do, you know, cause a big, beautiful chicken sandwich that wants to be eaten by you is waiting.

Gray: Well, I thought it was a perfect way. I saw you out there in the cow costume before citizens handing out the pamphlets, handing out the coupons. And I think that was just raising awareness. And I did hear a lot of people say, well, I, you know, I'm only here on Sundays. Uh, I don't think I'm gonna drive all the way over here because there is a Chick-fil-A, you know, just over in Castleton.

Um, but you know, I really hope it takes off because he just can't, you can't go back on your creed to keep it closed on Sundays, just because you happen to be in a church that's open on, on Sunday. 

Mack: B. Okay. Because that is definitely what our organization believes and, you know, um, I'm going to be honest. I bet it all.

I bet it all on this one. And, uh, if, if, uh, I felt I was praying when I was in San Francisco, I was like, God, Get me out of here, get me the hell outta here with all these people screaming at me, red bulls, everywhere. And, uh, and you know, that's when I opened my Instagram and found what I thought at first was, uh, I don't know, some sort of GQ ad, um, for a jacket, but it was.

For the church itself. And, uh, we have selling 

Gray: jackets now. Oh, did you see that? Was it for the jacket? The new Steve, the blatant jacket. Oh yeah. Steve has come out with a whole new line of clothes. I'm glad you saw that because he had the jackets too 

Mack: amazing. Yeah. That stuff. I mean, it's so it's cool. How it's it's basic, but it also feels very, um, classic, if that makes sense.

Kind of like, it has like little pockets, like you could be traveling on a plane with your passport or whatever. It seems like, uh, it seems like, you know what you're doing when you wear that kind of clothing. And I saw that this guy knows what he's doing, maybe. Yeah. The crew or G you know, get, get some kind of.

Rhea what I was doing. And that's when I realized it was a church. 

Halle: Awesome. I mean, th there, the clothes are designer they're made by a famous designer and the archetypes of each item of clothing are handmade. I mean, when you order one, you get it made in China, but the originals are, are handmade, tailored, and designer quality.

And I mean, you drop a couple thousand dollars on a blazer, you know, it's going to be. 

Mack: Yeah, no, I absolutely 

Halle: love that. Now. I don't want to ask too personal a question, but I'm a big fan of the Chick-fil-A special sauce or, uh, you know, the Chick-fil-A sauce. is it a secret? Do you know what's in there? 

Mack: I'll tell you some things.

That's not. Okay. AAA, special sauce. Tangy, it's almost a barbecue. It's almost a, a mixed between Buffalo and maybe roar, you know, like a ranch, right. And, uh, worlds, you know? Yeah. I, it's not, it's not, well, it is. I sh well, can we, uh, can you cut these things? If I accidentally said what the absolutely greatly.

Because it is Buffalo. I think Buffalo and ranch really that's it. Please remember to take it. I could get in trouble because I think it's just Buffalo and ranch. It's pretty try it. And then the other one, there's, there's two kinds of special sauces. There's that one. And then there's one, that's just, uh, you know, a honey mustard and a honey mustard.

Yeah. That's basically what it is. 

Gray: Oh, I, you know, I like that kind of, um, I mean, it's a fundamental sauce. If you think about it, it is what it is. You don't have to do a lot of guessing. It is just right there, plain and simple Buffalo and ranch. It's kind of like, it's kind of like the Bible. You don't need to read into it because it just tells you what it is.

Mack: It's just, you know, it's, it is, it's simple. It's, it's so simple. And I, I find that when, when I'm making sauces, it's just multiple sauces mixed together, you know, like that. Uh, is, is what Manet's and, uh, Russian, Russian dressing. Oh, say that right 

Halle: now. Sounds good. I know. Now I think Russia is misunderstood and the sauce is delicious.

Mack: Absolutely. That's the one thing I know about it. They've got great sauce. And uh, if you come on a Saturday through a Friday, we are happy to get you. No. I think mixing 

Halle: sauces is innovative to be honest, like if you've ever been having, you know, some, um, fish and chips and you mix that vinegar with the catch-up.

Mack: Oh, I don't, I actually don't eat, uh, fish I'm uh, I left the whole bread bowl. I can't really get in there. I can't really have that. Um, It's just a little hard for me. Um, it reminds me, makes me think of Cisco San Francisco. And if I, if this restaurant is not successful, they'll send me back. And that's, what's been a little difficult about getting, getting started here.

Well, 

Halle: you said you put it all on the line. I mean, did you mortgage your house to start this franchise here at twin Hills or what? 

Mack: Um, uh, I had to prove to corporate that I had to. I had to show them that, uh, chicken. Shouldn't be in San Francisco and, and that it should be in a church. And there, I think that there are reasons that became obvious that why they said you shouldn't put a Chick-fil-A in a church, uh, maybe something to do with the, when it, you know, there's some negative crossover there close on Sundays.

And, um, for me, I put it all on the line. I have my, my wife and my kids are, are still in San Francisco. Calling me constantly begging to leave. And I, and I say, hold up, hold up, let me get this. Let's get our let's, let's get the foundation set here. And totally, and we're, um, I'm in a studio waiting to figure that out, you know?

Halle: Central Indiana, all alone, living in a studio apartment. How do you pass the time? Are you alone? 

Mack: Um, I'm out there. I'm in my, my Cal costume and I am, uh, I'm pretty lonely and I gotta be honest. It's I I'm just trying to tell people. Listen, if you want a chicken sandwich go to that church. I know it's kind of confusing, but, uh, you know, I, I like to go, I like to, to, to go into town, see if, what people are watching football games and that kind of thing.

Uh I'm I'm more of a sec football guy in the south, you know, and they give me some flack. They don't like me up here for that. And, um, It's hard to go into a bar and just meet friends. I've discovered. Well, I mean, 

Gray: you know, I think it's, I think you're going through a trial right now, you know, you're living in a studio apartment away from your family, but do you think that.

Mack: Yeah. Um, just real quick it's unfortunately it is not a studio apartment. It would be great. I misread the, uh, the ad and I am in a, what appears to be some sort of art studio. They do a lot of pottery. Um, there are, uh, sort of a dance studio as well. Uh, so there's a lot of movement going on there. Uh, but they were really great.

They let me, there's sort of a coroner that is behind one of the shelves that people put their. Clay on, um, that has a little bunk for me. It's cozy. It's all I need until tell my family gets. But, um, yeah, they're weird. It's these young people, I don't know. Uh, they're not, I would say that they probably don't go to your church is my, um, my blink on that.

And, uh, they. There there's a lot of different types of relationships going on. Lots of times you don't know that I'm laying back there and they come back there to gossip. They put them there. It's like, Hey Sydney, can you come talk about this shelf about this? And then it's like, um, it's stuff about, I want to.

I'm cheating on my boyfriend, who is in the dance studio side of things with the pottery teacher. And, uh, it's, it's complicated dynamics at play, uh, with relationships where, you know, I met, I met, um, my wife when she, we were both 15. Uh, we got married at 19 and it was awesome and I couldn't. I couldn't, I could possibly do that differently.

Uh, and these kids are out here, you know, I don't even understand the, the terms are using a lot of sharing inappropriate terms, like, wow, the way 

Halle: kids talk now 

Mack: it's tough for me. Cause sometimes I'm, I'm, that's a pottery term. And then I listen a little longer than it is not a pottery term, like where, like they talk about a wheel and I'm like, oh, that thinks I've seen a pottery wheel.

And then when they describe it, it's like, uh, It's a sexual acts where one person is holding someone else's ankles and they it's sort of, have you ever heard of, I don't know if this is okay to talk about here. Um, but, um, I mean 69, 69, the 60, 69 it's like that, but they roll, 

Halle: they roll. So I'm like standing on my hands, but holding onto your ankles, you're standing up holding onto my ankles and then we roll like a big circle wheel.

You roll 

Mack: on. That's what they meant by the wheel. About spinning a 

Halle: will. Do they put mats down? I would imagine it 

Mack: would hurt. Well, they got a lot of mats in the dance studio, so they, they are able to, I think it's, I don't understand. I mean, you would think that a pottery slash dance studio. Wouldn't work, but there I'm hearing some noises, you know?

Gray: Right. It doesn't even seem like a business, like a business plan as possible. Okay. 

Halle: Mack, I mean, how do you remain sexually pure? Because here you are living in a dance and art studio. You're sir, you're far away from your wife. You're all alone. I know how these dancers dress in Lee and leotards and tights.

You can see everything. God gave them and they're out there jiggling and dancing around erotically in front of you. How do you do it? 

Mack: Look, I am in there and I, I, I find it extremely difficult to stay, to listen to God and to stay pure in these moments where, where there's just suddenly just sort of this dance class, where there's this also a window by my bed and suddenly I'm looking over and there's a, they call it a workshop and it's there.

They're learning how to do something called a twerk, which is a lot of like, there's a lot of. Um, you know how the lover 

Gray: oh yeah. I mean, you can just get up and show him. Okay. 

Halle: So yeah. Okay. So your bottom, your rump. Okay. So that's your room? 

Mack: This is your rump. I think I figured out how to do it pretty well, but you know, it kind of flips back like that.

Oh, wow. 

Halle: Wow. Wow. Wow. Oh, 

Mack: wow. I kind of, you know, I think I've pretty much mastered it, but it was watching, watching the way that these, these. You know, college age people move. It's it's really impure. And so every time it happens, I have to FaceTime my wife and I tell her soon, soon, I'll get you out of here soon.

We'll get our children out here out of San Francisco, out of that hell hole. And soon we're going to do our very own. 

Gray: Okay, that's good. I love when a story comes 

Halle: full circle, your reunion with your wife is going to be hot and it is going to 

Gray: be, you know, one thing that really warmed my heart the other day, Mack is when I saw you, uh, uh, I guess this was on Monday morning, assembling your team and just everybody praying together before you started up the fryers before you started making the chicken sandwiches and the waffle fries and things like that.

What do you look for when it comes to somebody that's coming to work in this new Chick-fil-A? And Hills. And, um, and how do you lead strongly like a, like a Christian leader in these, in this way? Because I just think it's so important that you, you just carrying the banner for Christ with these younger people.

Yeah. 

Mack: Well, it was honestly, if you've built such a great place that it's, it's not hard, you throw a stick and you can, you can hit a. Perfect candidate for, for, uh, for Chick-Filet. I'll go through them. You got, you got a number of qualities that we're looking for close to God. Number one. Okay. Yes. Awesome.

Close to God. Reading and writing numbers. Yep. Yep. So 

Gray: that's two. Yeah, that's probably 

Mack: good because we have like our little Christian workshop or sorry, workbook that we use. And we dedicate a little time to write about Truett Cathy, you know, the founder of Chick-fil-A, he started it and his little, I think it's called the Dorf, uh, dwarf shop, uh, something, uh, something that's real.

So we have to think about getting the Headspace of someone who wanted to share, and that's a lot of essay, right. Um, so reading and writing huge component. Uh, is number three because you're standing, there's a constant wave of people, constantly people coming in, you have to restock the sauces. You got to restock the cups.

You got to make sure that the sweet tea is the perfect sweet. Uh, you gotta make sure the lemonade has the proper amount of lemons. Um, right. Oh, I love that. Limiting important because you never stop moving except for, you know, uh, when there's not that many people there. Number five bright smile right before you have to.

Hmm. Uh, oh, there's no, is there no. Accounting. Oh, okay. People who are good with numbers, people are good with keeping their register straight. I was kind of a master of that and that's nothing gets by me. So even the 

Halle: register is straight. I like that. I liked that in a godly company that even the register 

Gray: is straight and you can tell numbers, don't get by you because I mean, even though you skip them before, I can tell you that you really.

Oh, I thought, yeah, I think you maybe went from a three to five, but I can tell that you definitely have a mind for numbers, which is great 

Mack: counting for his account. I, you know, I think that was, uh, like I, uh, I'm not, not sleeping that much and I can tell these days there's a lot of clay. The, the, the killing is pretty close to me and it is, they have to fire them overnight and.

And, and it is about 96 degrees. When I try to go to bed, I can't sleep here. 

Gray: I was wondering if the burn on your face was from, and I hope to bring up to a subject if this is because it does look a little painful, but I, so I thought that might've been for maybe chicken fry, but you're saying maybe that is just sleeping next to it.

I 

Mack: looked in there, I looked there's a little hole where you can see the fire and it looked like someone had put, and this is taboo for this. I'm so sorry. Uh, what looked like an upside down cross and. And I reached in and I had to, you know, I put on a glove, my hands. Okay. But I burned my face. I realized later that it's just a cross that was upside down and that killed him.

And that was just the way they were firing it. But I saw it and I saw it as it felt like a fever dream. I had to get it out there and I flipped it and, uh, right here. Yeah. Um, burned my face real bad on the kill. Okay. Number seven, number seven on the list of qualities we look for in a, in a Chick-fil-A employee, athletic bill.

These are, we, we get a lot of, um, athletic, but not too athletic cause those guys are going to be on the team. So we got a lot of sports managers. We've got a lot of, uh, team manager types who are, you know, the people who are already good at filling up water bottles and things like that. I think that plays a huge part.

And how 

Gray: does athletic differ from agility? 

Mack: I would consider, um, you can have an agile mind. You can have that agile spirit. I think of it more metaphorically athletic. You need to have good cardio. You need to be able to run a mile and under seven and a half minutes, I'd be able to number 15. Um, yeah. Uh, 

Gray: what, which one?

It was, I think we're were at eight. Yeah, I think we're at eight. Yeah, I think you just skipped from seven to 15, but maybe that's the Chick-fil-A. 

Mack: Okay. Um, now, uh, number eight is I think, I, I think I've said it, but maybe the mic cut a number eight is no vegetarians. Sure. That's a good one. If you're selling it, you know, it's like, don't, don't trust a skinny cook as they say that's right.

They'll have never heard that. I wanted it on a shirt, but it already existed as what they were saying. Well, we 

Gray: got, well, I mean, vegetarians are maybe the number one problem in the youth group right now that in, you know, uh, just people saying the, uh non-binary, but I think that, um, you know, just that idea of, Hey, we shouldn't eat meat.

I think it's crazy because God basically put the meat here for us to eat and you know, like why would he 

Mack: eat it? Right. That means, wants to be eaten. They wants to be eaten and, uh, for you to choose, to avoid them to, to almost, I don't know, excommunicate them from your life. That is what are we even doing?

And you know, you're not, that's that's as far away from God as you. Okay. 

Gray: Great. Okay. That, that makes sense. Athletic rather than agile. I see. Yeah. And then w uh, what are the, uh, are there any, 

Mack: oh, uh, I guess the rest of them just to put it real fast would be a 13 through 20 as loyal, helpful kind, thrifty, brave, clean, trustworthy, friendly, courteous, cheerful, a Reverend.

Oh, wow. That's great. 

Halle: Nice list thrift. I like clean. Yeah. I want my fast food from a clean reverent person. Oh, no question. No question. Now Mac, you know, I've had a lot of jobs, you know, I worked over at Dick's sports and, you know, things as I was coming up. Yeah. And an orange Julius when I was younger. And one thing I've noticed is everybody always hates the boss, you know, what's it like to be a manager and w do you know, does everybody hate.

Listen, 

Mack: sometimes it's, it's tough love at the top and you got to make sure that everybody is doing their job. You gotta make sure that they're smiling. You gotta make sure that they're saying, Hey, my pleasure instead of no problem or, well, you're welcome. It's. You got to make sure the smiles are there.

You got to make sure everything's stocked and that's, that can create friction. 

Halle: Nobody likes to be told what to do. Nobody 

Mack: likes that. And, uh, I've gotten the reputation to be a hard button and, uh, I'm in there and I'm telling them what to do sometimes there'll be already doing it. And, um, You should be smiling a little harder.

You should, uh, you know, you say my pleasure, you need a mean it, you have to feel the pleasure when you say my pleasure. 

Gray: And I did notice that most of the employees are women and do they like it when you tell them to smile more 

Mack: they've ended in altercations. And so have you ever had to fire. I have I have, oh, well, uh, when we first set up shop in San Francisco, that was the first person I ever had to fire.

Oh, uh, uh, we got in there. We, we, you know, move the fishmongers out of our spot and there's a few of the guys hanging out, clearly distraught over losing their job. But I was like, Hey, come work for me. You know, teach them how to fish, you know? Uh, or, you know, make chicken instead of fish chicken instead of fish.

And it got it, got them in there, got him trained, got them, watching all the videos about Truett, Cathy, and then they come in there. Uh, and he's like, I think I left, you know, this was actually my father's stall. And this is, you know, giving me some sad story about what what's going on with his dad or whatever.

And I was like, there's one dad here. And it's me. That's the first time I took a whole bread bowl, full of fish in the face and had to let them go. I had to let them go right then and there, um, And I think he was gay. I don't know.

Halle: Meco. Brian was played by Zach. Oh, Yama. Check out his hilarious work on dropout TV and follow him at Zack. I'm Holly Lorena playing Holly Labonte and gray house was played by Greg Hess, followed us and mega the podcast on Twitter and Instagram. And if you really want to get out of jail free card, support us on Patrion.

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